tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post7017425831658943142..comments2024-03-12T22:31:46.500-04:00Comments on What Would Phoebe Do?: Quasi-literary quasi-aspirationsPhoebe Maltz Bovyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-41933125367205367372009-03-09T21:44:00.000-04:002009-03-09T21:44:00.000-04:00You should try presenting yourself as a conservati...You should try presenting yourself as a conservative voice for Slate's XX. Maybe then they could get rid of Abigail Pilgrim, who isn't 100% clueless ... but 85% isn't good either. I have thought since college that the media's real discrimination against the Right is their failure to hire the conservatives whom <I>I</I> like to read -- who often are quite conservative (one friend I made on my college paper is a GOP volunteering, Fed Soc, no-sex-until-marriage Southern Baptist), but who don't wholly caricature the Left. (P.J. O'Rourke has made too much money on the caricatures to stop now.)PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-72672729259779526162009-03-07T19:32:00.000-05:002009-03-07T19:32:00.000-05:00"So what I mean to say is that some people I know ..."So what I mean to say is that some people I know who think they are conservative in academia find out they are liberal when they meet actual conservatives in GOP politics"<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you have, but a) I'm aware of academia's slant, as I think are most academics, b) I have met plenty of flesh-and-blood conservatives, and c) I don't consider myself either on the left or on the right, even though I am always going to be one of those, relatively speaking, in a given context.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-32583357892004541592009-03-07T14:29:00.000-05:002009-03-07T14:29:00.000-05:00Yeah, well maybe your right (mostly) - I was just ...Yeah, well maybe your right (mostly) - I was just fumbling around blogs and posted a comment without thinking it thru too much. I probably agree with you, but was just being contentious -- However, your out of wedlock argument is one that is already met with vehement resistance from conservatives active on this issue. It erodes the whole discipline/sin loop that is key to understanding conservative opposition to accomodating something they know takes place anyway.<BR/><BR/>Liberal? Well most people I know in academia are far far to the left of people I've met who are active in Democratic party politics on the national level. Even liberal NY congresspeople like Maloney in NY tend to be far to the right of most acadademics in the humanities.<BR/> So what I mean to say is that some people I know who think they are conservative in academia find out they are liberal when they meet actual conservatives in GOP politics<BR/><BR/>BP was a typo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-80325490170824087732009-03-07T11:47:00.000-05:002009-03-07T11:47:00.000-05:00"liberal"Really?"suddenly"Not so much. I'll presen..."liberal"<BR/><BR/>Really?<BR/><BR/>"suddenly"<BR/><BR/>Not so much. <BR/><BR/>I'll present my conservative case for BC (what is BP?) somewhere along the line, but I promise it has nothing to do with eugenics. (Hint: better use of BC can lead to fewer out-of-wedlock pregnancies and fewer abortions. But that's not the whole argument.) <BR/><BR/>My concern is that conservatives are misguided in their choice of BC as enemy. Where does "theraputic" enter into it? I know I'm in some ways on the left and in others on the right, but this is something I've long since understood. 25 is not <I>that</I> young.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-45988449387780945092009-03-07T11:16:00.000-05:002009-03-07T11:16:00.000-05:00I like your writing, but your attempt at re-thinki...I like your writing, but your attempt at re-thinking what is/not conservative seems to be a therapeutic. Obviously - you are a young and educated and liberal - But you share a few conservative notions - objection to some leftist premises among academics - Chomskyism - and a general hawkishness on FP, esp Mid East. So suddenly you find yourself in some un-confortable, un-hip, rustic company, ideological wise.<BR/> Hence, an attempt on your part to shuffle the deck - politically speaking - the various markers of left/right.<BR/><BR/>But the only right wing case for BP is the late 19th cent. eugenic-inspired - racially minded social darwinism. The other defenses of BP - woman's lib, autonomy, pleasure - etc are all liberal and grow out of leftist critiques of bourgeois morality and religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-61770082652658854602009-03-03T08:55:00.000-05:002009-03-03T08:55:00.000-05:00My article would prove you wrong.My article would prove you wrong.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-57590452769154909022009-03-03T01:48:00.000-05:002009-03-03T01:48:00.000-05:00Birth control is just about the most unconservativ...Birth control is just about the most unconservative thing in the world.<BR/><BR/>Not that there is anything wrong with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-74657655732109041772009-03-02T08:38:00.000-05:002009-03-02T08:38:00.000-05:00As I wrote in the post, there weren't kids with Je...As I wrote in the post, there weren't kids with Jewish mothers and non-Jewish fathers in any significant numbers. <BR/><BR/>As for what came of the generation of Jewish women equivalent to the Jewish fathers I mention, I wouldn't take from the fact that they weren't mothers *at this school* to mean that they remained single. For all I know, they'd long since married and raised kids, since the fathers tended to be a good bit older than the mothers, regardless of religion.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-44471509988311002012009-03-02T07:35:00.000-05:002009-03-02T07:35:00.000-05:00I grew up on the West Coast, Protestant - but the ...I grew up on the West Coast, Protestant - but the kids I knew who had Jewish mothers, mixed marriage, tended to be brought up Unitarian, or Quaker, or without faith at all. Was that your experience in NY? Or were there just a lot of single Jewish women for whom the potential Jewish husbands had all gone for gentiles? dave.s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com