tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post3940920206637844288..comments2024-03-12T22:31:46.500-04:00Comments on What Would Phoebe Do?: We'll always have ParisPhoebe Maltz Bovyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-52939071271446280722008-11-21T18:17:00.000-05:002008-11-21T18:17:00.000-05:00Oh, there's corporal punishment in schools on the ...Oh, there's corporal punishment in schools on the coasts (at least the one I'm on). In one of my high school classes, even.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-60536524462295724422008-11-21T18:16:00.000-05:002008-11-21T18:16:00.000-05:00I take your point here; pity the gay or Jewish per...I take your point here; pity the gay or Jewish person with middle-America values and tastes. Although... although... I'm not sure our geographical/cultural diversity is so shallow as to exclude their finding places as well. Consider LaGrande Oregon, Lawrence Kansas, Moab Utah. Still, the point remains.<BR/><BR/>(I'm trying to remember who it was who recounted to me, years ago, the story of being in Minnesota [Minnesota! The bluest of red states!] and being asked, in all seriousness, "what's a Jew?")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-11264539434415130642008-11-21T18:10:00.000-05:002008-11-21T18:10:00.000-05:00Phoebe,Actually, the godless coastal fake American...Phoebe,<BR/><BR/>Actually, the godless coastal fake Americans have succeeded enforcing all kinds of evil values even outside the coasts: <BR/><BR/>- rape shield laws so sexual assault survivors can't be properly shamed for their sexual histories;<BR/>- encouraging a reading of the Constitution that doesn't allow people to be imprisoned for burning flags, joining disfavored political parties, getting abortions... in fact, liberalism on the Supreme Court probably is the biggest imposition of liberal values because their decisions apply nationally. Those damn liberals give <A HREF="http://www.blogdenovo.org/archives/001079.html" REL="nofollow">Mormons and Catholics who are getting harassed in rural Texas</A> a forum for complaint, instead of having those Mormons and Catholics forced out to more welcoming territory.<BR/><BR/>Liberal values are legally imposed on the interior of this country by not allowing conservatives to impose their values on their heretical neighbors.<BR/><BR/>Hitting kids still seems to retain popularity outside the coasts, though. At least when I was in school in Texas, there was an annual signing of permission for the school to paddle kids who misbehaved. My parents signed it every year with much hilarity because they thought the school was really lax in discipline, and they figured that if we did anything bad enough to warrant a school paddling, we'd already have gone underground and changed our names to escape our parents' wrath.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-84495163150343940652008-11-21T17:25:00.000-05:002008-11-21T17:25:00.000-05:00Is anyone suggesting banning hetero marriage? Maki...Is anyone suggesting banning hetero marriage? Making culturally-Jewish atheism the state religion?Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-26236498410743678552008-11-21T17:22:00.000-05:002008-11-21T17:22:00.000-05:00Paul makes a good case, but underestimates both th...<I>Paul makes a good case, but underestimates both the interest in gays/Jews in living outside of cities, and the interest of the "Jesus police" in policing... larger jurisdictions.</I><BR/><BR/>The activists of the "godless coastal fake Americans" are just as eager to expand the jurisdiction of their policing.<BR/><BR/>Or is imposing values only bad when religious Christians do it?Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13097613583141006228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-89756026251135399742008-11-21T15:12:00.000-05:002008-11-21T15:12:00.000-05:00Another argument against segregation is that many ...Another argument against segregation is that many people who aren't Christians nonetheless could fit pretty happily into a conservative social circle once the sectarian element is removed. My parents raised their children more conservatively than even my Southern Baptist, abstinence-only peers: they at least could watch family-oriented TV shows and go on dates, whereas my mom covered our eyes when even married couples smooched on TV, and forbade us to date at all. There probably are a lot of Muslim families that would do the same. <BR/><BR/>The intolerance of some Christians toward people of other faiths is killing their ability to form social conservative alliances. Perhaps they'll eventually get over this, much as Roe v. Wade galvanized an alliance between Catholics and the evangelical Protestants who had called the Church the Whore of Babylon (and a few of whom who still do, cf. Rev. Hagee), but it looks to be a long ways off still.<BR/><BR/>There's also the problem that non-Christian religious conservatives in the U.S. are instinctively reluctant to politicize their preferences because they are self-conscious about their minority status. My parents never asked that the world change to accommodate what they wanted for their kids; they knew they had left India and its prohibition on kissing and would have to put up with Americans' looseness. They just <A HREF="http://bertrandrussell.blogspot.com/2008/05/my-milkshake-brings-all-culture-to-yard.html" REL="nofollow">created their own world</A> in which "Family Matters" was moderately racy TV.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.com