tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post7674884725175137591..comments2024-03-12T22:31:46.500-04:00Comments on What Would Phoebe Do?: "Who cares about eyebrows?" UPDATEDPhoebe Maltz Bovyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-38288078876493219742010-12-19T08:29:04.524-05:002010-12-19T08:29:04.524-05:00Well, here is an example of man-attractive fashion...Well, here is an example of man-attractive fashion, how to marry a prince division (of Middleton): "The two then started dating, the story goes, after he was struck by her beauty as she modeled a sheer dress at a charity fashion show." dave.s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-80183686458190734052010-12-18T11:38:11.778-05:002010-12-18T11:38:11.778-05:00PG,
If something of this conceptual complexity (h...PG,<br /><br />If something of this conceptual complexity (high fashion repelling straight men) counts as a "specialized focus," I'm not sure what the commenters there would catch the point of.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-64928988067282027902010-12-18T04:33:33.860-05:002010-12-18T04:33:33.860-05:00I am never impressed by the number of Jezebel comm...I am never impressed by the number of Jezebel commenters who miss the point of anything done with a specialized focus.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-36761294005198194502010-12-17T12:24:57.162-05:002010-12-17T12:24:57.162-05:00To turn the conversation (I'm having with myse...To turn the conversation (I'm having with myself) back to the topic at hand, I'm impressed with the number of Jezebel commenters who miss the point entirely. Some point out that <i>they</i> can put together ugly hipster-outfits from thrift stores (the 'where's my medal' contingent,) including <a href="http://jezebel.com/comment/34211423/" rel="nofollow">one</a> who gets stuff at the dollar store and mocks those who spend "6x" that at Bloomingdales (which would mean... six dollars?), when the point is that <i>high fashion</i> repels men, not that it is the only type of dress that does, or the one that does so most effectively. Obviously a urine-soaked potato sack would do the trick.<br /><br />Or the commenters who can't get past the "<a href="http://jezebel.com/comment/34207169/" rel="nofollow">heteronormative</a>" bent... it is a blog <i>about lowest-common-denominator straight men and their approach to women's dress</i>. I think the implication is that gay men and less gender-norms-fitting straight ones <i>might</i> like the clothes - they are obviously <i>not</i> the men in question <i>in this context</i>.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-20388596173532928832010-12-17T11:34:07.447-05:002010-12-17T11:34:07.447-05:00I won't argue with anyone's individual exp...I won't argue with anyone's individual experience of eyebrows. I'll say that I, too, have lived with women, and couldn't state with much precision who left which eyebrow hairs. I might also point out that I <i>always</i> notice when men have done something major with their eyebrows, whereas it's so normal to me that women would that unless it's done wrong, or the eyebrows themselves are spectacular, I don't notice anything. <br /><br />My point is that there are different beauty things women do, some of which are about rounding up to "natural," others of which are about enhancement. Eyebrow shaping=enhancement. Plucking hairs from between, above, or below the brows, this is more akin to getting rid of a hair growing out of a mole or something - hair-removal where no one would ever guess that there'd ever been hair. You don't know if women have done this (unless you've seen the plucking), I don't know if women have done this, it's more something one can assess from the fact that as a population, it looks like women rarely have the stray not-quite-eyebrow hairs men virtually always do.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-19443441903760869052010-12-17T10:41:56.571-05:002010-12-17T10:41:56.571-05:00This is probably an example of men not having the ...<i>This is probably an example of men not having the least idea what women do and end up looking "natural." </i><br /><br />No. I've lived with women all my life, including sisters, and quite intimately with some others, and I know well what they did to their eyebrows. (And even my barber sometimes trims the wild hairs of my eyebrows, without my asking, and I can tell the difference.) Maybe some men live closely with women and don't see what they do or do not do. That's possible. But I think the idea that this is generally so isn't that likely, and is itself a myth. It's certainly wrong in my case.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-69524416514498411472010-12-17T00:30:33.980-05:002010-12-17T00:30:33.980-05:00"things that almost always look worse when th..."things that almost always look worse when they are modified more than a tiny bit, if at all."<br /><br />This is probably an example of men not having the least idea what women do and end up looking "natural." You know that awkward look middle-schoolers have? For the girls, at least, it's because eyebrow-maintenance hasn't been sorted out yet. At a minimum, stray hairs between the brows have to go. But there's an approach to eyebrows that's basically getting rid of any eyebrow that isn't in a definitively eyebrow location. End result - men just think women, being less hairy than men overall, have neater eyebrows naturally, and only notice the obviously plucked.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-69091739020959373592010-12-16T23:02:44.037-05:002010-12-16T23:02:44.037-05:00women notice eyebrows, men don't.
I had a pre...<i>women notice eyebrows, men don't.</i><br /><br />I had a pretty good friend (who was himself very hairy, amusingly enough for the story) who dated a woman for a while who had some sort of genetic condition that made her pretty much entirely hairless. At first, he told us, he thought she was a bit exciting because (he thought), she shaved more than was usual for the time, but then she showed him that she was bald "on top", too. We asked him if he hadn't noticed that she didn't have eyebrows, and if that might not have been something to wonder about. "Who notices such things!" he replied, apparently quite honestly. (They broke up for non-hair related reasons soon after that.) <br /><br />As for me, though, I do tend to notice eyebrows to a certain extent, in particular if they are modified very much. I guess I might not like some Bert-like unibrow, but otherwise, I don't much like it when eyebrows are plucked or made very narrow or changed very much, and think it falls into the category of things that almost always look worse when they are modified more than a tiny bit, if at all.Mattnoreply@blogger.com