tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post481260650193989314..comments2024-03-12T22:31:46.500-04:00Comments on What Would Phoebe Do?: The lady has a pointPhoebe Maltz Bovyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-54546266959611509172008-01-13T18:00:00.000-05:002008-01-13T18:00:00.000-05:00No, but 12% is and there's only one black Senator....No, but 12% is and there's only one black Senator. So, African-Americans are 8% of the way to full representation in the Senate, while women are 32% of the way (there are 16 female Senators currently), despite the fact that African-American men got to vote 60 years before women did. (I actually have very few doubts that once women make up 50% of the experienced legal profession, which they will in very short order, they will also be 50% of the legislators.)<BR/><BR/>There are, by the by, 13 Jews in the U.S. Senate, more than nine times higher than their rate in the population at large (1.4%). They're not the only overrepresented religion, of course. Presbyterians (13 Senators, 2.7% in population) and Episcopalians (10 Senators, 1.7% of population) are similarly overrepresented and Methodists (10 Senators, 6.8% of population) are nearly twice their population rate. The only major religion which is underrepresented are the Baptists (16% of the population, but only 7 Senators). Even Mormons (5 Senators, 1.9% of the population) do very well. By far, the most underrepresented are "unspecified," the irreligious (0 Senators, 13.2% of the population). It's nice to see that the bias against the irreligious is the only remaining religious bias in America, at least for Congress. <BR/><BR/>Interestingly, Baptists have done pretty well at getting one of their own elected President (Harding, Truman, Carter, and Clinton), although they're still underrepresented. Episcopalians and Presbyterians dominate the Presidential sweepstakes, of course. Even Quakers have had two Presidents (Hoover and Nixon) and the Jehovah's Witnesses have had one (Eisenhower, though he converted to Presbyterianism shortly after his election and hadn't been an active Witness since 1915). Catholics are seriously underrepresented here with only Kennedy, despite making up 29% of the population. To be fair, there weren't a ton of Catholics for the first hundred and fifty years of Presidential history and there were far more Episcopalians and Presbyterians than there are now. Lutherans are the largest segment of the U.S. population which has never had a President (followed by Mormons, Pentecostals, Jews, and Muslims).<BR/><BR/>The irreligious have even more to complain about than blacks do and far, far more than women, if we're just talking about political representation. Nevertheless, I do not consider myself, as an atheist, to be a member of an oppressed minority, no matter how much Richard Dawkins wishes to convince me otherwise. None of this disagrees with either the original post or the comments here; I just thought it would be interesting to do some factual analysis.Andrew Stevenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13453328821252013152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-26119980615462058472008-01-11T16:20:00.000-05:002008-01-11T16:20:00.000-05:00Is half of America black?Is half of America black?Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-73111100128818386982008-01-11T16:19:00.000-05:002008-01-11T16:19:00.000-05:00RE: prejudice against women vs. prejudice against...RE: prejudice against women vs. prejudice against African-Americans, in politics at least. I read recently that currently there are 16 (or perhaps 13, I forget, but it is close) women in the Senate, and in all U.S. history there have been exactly three (3) black senators. Not that comparing "who has it worst" makes a lot of sense. -- JMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-60124956124320827202008-01-10T19:00:00.000-05:002008-01-10T19:00:00.000-05:00MSI:That paragraph was the one in which I was leav...MSI:<BR/><BR/>That paragraph was the one in which I was leaving aside the 'isms.' Gender simply does matter more, in our society, as it currently exists, than does race. This isn't necessarily a problem. <BR/><BR/>MSI and Markus: I don't think individual dating preferences fall under the category of 'isms.' A person can exclusively date tall blond men with blue eyes without being a white male supremacist--you like what you like. It's another story when you get to advocating what choices others should make. But in terms of an "angry sky daddy," the issue is clearly not race but religion. The problem with Judaism and intermarriage comes when secular Jews advocate that other secular Jews not intermarry, when there's no religious justification, it does begin to look racial.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-49330634858249957182008-01-10T18:53:00.000-05:002008-01-10T18:53:00.000-05:00even calls among Jews to fight intermarriage on re...<I>even calls among Jews to fight intermarriage on religious grounds are often interpreted as racism. </I><BR/>Uuh, that's because they are. You don't get special treatment just because you went the extra step and invented a angry sky daddy and blame he decision on him.<BR/>If anything, "less popular with god" is an even more retarded reason for rejecting someone than "inferior genes". <BR/>That said, just as with race, as a matter of personal preference it can't be argued with, but - as you were - if we're talking prescriptive, normative, directed at others stuff, sure, it's racist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com