tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post114796626897553934..comments2024-03-12T22:31:46.500-04:00Comments on What Would Phoebe Do?: Welcome back, misogyny! Part IIPhoebe Maltz Bovyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-1148357947119691272006-05-23T00:19:00.000-04:002006-05-23T00:19:00.000-04:00opps you're right I did misread that, sorry thats ...opps you're right I did misread that, sorry thats what happens when reaidng blogs after being at work for too many hoursAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-1148349271938752002006-05-22T21:54:00.000-04:002006-05-22T21:54:00.000-04:00"The wording you use clearly implies that non Jewi..."The wording you use clearly implies that non Jewish women are more naïve, more innocent, more easily dominated, and less intelligent than Jewish women."<BR/><BR/>Not at all. The wording I use implies that I believe *Roth, Allen, and Shteyngart* present non-Jewish women or female characters in such a fashion. The reader/viewer may disagree with my assessment, but nowhere do I say that this is *my* opinion about non-Jewish women. It isn't, as it so happens--thus "as opposed to the appeal of an actual, living-and-breathing woman who happens not to be Jewish." <BR/><BR/>My point, as should be obvious, was that a Jewish man who happens to find a woman attractive who happens not to be Jewish may find this woman attractive for any number of reasons, whereas Roth et al seek out the "shiksa" for a more disturbing one. <BR/><BR/>The only people who might reasonably be offended by this post are Roth, Allen, and Shteyngart.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-1148348574065167042006-05-22T21:42:00.000-04:002006-05-22T21:42:00.000-04:00The appeal of the "shiksa" (as opposed to the appe...<I>The appeal of the "shiksa" (as opposed to the appeal of an actual, living-and-breathing woman who happens not to be Jewish) for an Allen, Roth, or Shteyngart is the same as the appeal of an adolescent girl for a Derbyshire--naivete, innocence, and an easy way for a man to feel all-powerful and brilliant in a world where it's no longer popular for men to have such a role in couples. </I><BR/><BR/>If I were the sort of person to get offended by things that obviously weren’t intended to be offensive, I’d be offended by that. The wording you use clearly implies that non Jewish women are more naïve, more innocent, more easily dominated, and less intelligent than Jewish women. While I can understand the desire to find a connection between two remarks that are both demeaning towards women and that treat them as means to the speakers own psychological ends, I think there are very different causes at work here.<BR/><BR/>While Derbyshire's favoring of adolescents clearly does stem from a desire to interact with women who are less able to challenge him and more ‘innocent’, it strikes me that Shteyngart’s desire for non Jewish women stems from good old fashioned self loathing. Why else the revulsion of finding that she “tasted like me?”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com