tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post113106122365051169..comments2024-03-12T22:31:46.500-04:00Comments on What Would Phoebe Do?: Shall we keep them?Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-1131573654379317622005-11-09T17:00:00.000-05:002005-11-09T17:00:00.000-05:00http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/002490.h...http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/002490.html#comment34027Qalandarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08822440676942755461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-1131292949033263052005-11-06T11:02:00.000-05:002005-11-06T11:02:00.000-05:00"It strikes me as, well, a very American view to r..."It strikes me as, well, a very American view to regard these riots as, well, looking American."<BR/><BR/>I don't claim to be speaking from anything other than the point of view of an American who saw riots in L.A. and NYC on television and who saw a visual resemblance. That doesn't exclude a visual resemblance to any number of other conflicts in other countries. It's not a bias--I'm not saying the situations in the US and France or elsewhere in Europe are parallel. But I would say that if Europe is not used to immigration, it might want to take some cues as to how to deal with immigration from the US. That's not to say copy the US, policy by policy.Phoebe Maltz Bovyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996039330841139883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-1131263468505312702005-11-06T02:51:00.000-05:002005-11-06T02:51:00.000-05:00"not always coming to the most just conclusions, b..."not always coming to the most just conclusions, but American citizens of all backgrounds are treated as here to stay." <BR/><BR/>Well, <A HREF="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/11/lad.04.html" REL="nofollow">Not usually.</A>Sahelihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06821121070704451663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-1131236549033420872005-11-05T19:22:00.000-05:002005-11-05T19:22:00.000-05:00It strikes me as, well, a very American view to re...It strikes me as, well, a very American view to regard these riots as, well, looking American. From a European view, they look pretty European, if not specifically French (few other European countries have experienced such riots, which might tell something about France). My understanding of American urban politics might be wrong, but at least I haven't read that 9,000 police cars were destroyed in the U.S. in the last year during smaller riots, which usually don't come into the media. (That's the number I read for France.)<BR/><BR/>I would not contest your point that deporting these people, or keeping them out from the very beginning, is a solution; but to my knowledge, few serious people in Europe suggested that rioters should be deported. (Though, if you want to know what kinds of problems Europe is facing concerning illegal immigration, look at Ceuta and Melilla.) However, to simply equate the European situation with the American one is somewhat biased, as Europe has, until very recently, not defined itself as a continent of immigration, unlike the U.S. That makes integration much more difficult, particularly facing the economic difficulties Europe is struggling with.<BR/><BR/>Finally, the U.S. is not facing, as far as I know, the problem of communities isoling themselves, against all attempts for integration, and rejecting "Western" culture and norms. This is, indeed, a European-wide problem, that should, however, not be conflated with the social problems you see now in France.<BR/><BR/>Jochen<BR/><BR/>PS: I enjoyed reading your blogg, after not having read it for quite a while. Sorry for the long comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-1131071790485860582005-11-03T21:36:00.000-05:002005-11-03T21:36:00.000-05:00The riots don't look American to me. They look Pa...The riots don't look American to me. They look Palestinian. <BR/><BR/>Arabs themselves are calling it the Paris intifada.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7146512.post-1131070482962371022005-11-03T21:14:00.000-05:002005-11-03T21:14:00.000-05:00I think many French would agree that the single bi...I think many French would agree that the single biggest post-war mistake they made was allowing mass muslim immigration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com